Will Ray Z-Coils in Neck and Bridge on my Comanche Tribute

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Will Ray Z-Coils in Neck and Bridge on my Comanche Tribute

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Several years back now, I picked up a sweet Comanche Tribute from EBay. (see below)

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Around the same time I picked up a Will Ray Z-Coil to drop into the Neck position as that was a mod I really wanted to try.

Well, years went by and excuses piled up, till one day a few weeks back now, I had had enough of rooting through my "whatnot drawer" and moving that Will Ray Z-Coil around to make room for newer whatnots. So I decided it was time to drop that puppy in (pun intended).

The last time I set up my Comanche I put on some pretty heavy strings (52-12), with the promise (which was broken fairly quickly) to play it often and thereby strengthen my fretting hand. But I ended just playing it less for that reason. So I decided that I'd restring it with a new set of 46-10s and do another setup on it at the same time.

But when I flipped the pickguard, I put the tester on the "old" bridge pickup. I didn't want to accidently mix up pickups and make more work for myself, so the first thing I did was put a meter on the bridge pickup, and again on the "new" Will Ray pickup so as to ensure I could differentiate between the two just in case.

Here was the Bridge Pickup:
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and here was the "Will Ray" pickup:
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At first I was quite confused. I was expecting my Bridge pup to be 5.14K, so I double-checked my middle pup ; yup - it was 5.11K - so... the only reasonable explanation was that the previous owner had already dropped a Will Ray pup in the bridge position.

To be fair I had heard that dropping the WR in the bridge would make a big and pleasant difference. I had always though - it sounds pretty good to me already, but if this WR is "all that" I'll give it a shot. To be sure - the main reason I didn't get around to dropping this in was because the guitar already sounded quite good.

So I decided to (since I had the guitar in pieces) drop it in the neck position - since I really love the robust tone of my ASAT Special's Neck MFD. I thought - hey! Maybe this will do something extra for the neck position. So I decided to swap out the neck for the "other" will Ray pickup.

I put it back together and spent a lot of time giving it a good setup. The last time I opened it up I had to make some compromising accommodations to get intoned - which always seemed a bit off to me. So I took my time with it, and eventually got it dialed in the way I like it.

Talking about it isn't the same as hearing it, so I was home today, with the house to myself, and decided to take a video of the change, so that anyone who ever wondered what a Comanche would sound like with a Will Ray in the neck - could give it a listen and see what they thought.

If I had known I was going to drop a Will Ray z-Coil in the neck position I would have taken a video to show the before and after. But it was never my plan, so I apologize that I can't A/B the change. Also, I am not really comfortable in front of a camera. I did this in one take and cut out about a minute or so of me humming and hawing and looking clueless. Don't worry, I left enough of that in the video to demonstrate I'm pretty much clueless - but it won't be as in your face as it would have been.

Here is the video - and yes, I dress like an old dweeb in tweed, that's how I roll.
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Re: Will Ray Z-Coils in Neck and Bridge on my Comanche Tribute

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imo, the dweeb with the comanche sounds fab! (and so do those pickups!!)

i attended Ursinus College in Pa '78-'82. i thought dweeb was an Ursinus thing. never heard it anywhere else...til today 8-)
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Re: Will Ray Z-Coils in Neck and Bridge on my Comanche Tribute

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Thanks for your post and video, Dan—well done! You sound good, and your Comanche sounds mighty fine, especially the 2 and 4 positions. I'm wondering how the neck + bridge sound together with the extra swat of the Will Ray pups. Every time I see one of those Tribute Comanches with the flame top, my knees weaken slightly...

When I put the Will Ray in the bridge of my Studio 6, I opted for black—mostly because I like the look of the pre-BBE Comanche black pups with white guard and cherryburst, but also to show that it was changed!
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Re: Will Ray Z-Coils in Neck and Bridge on my Comanche Tribute

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john o wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:07 pm imo, the dweeb with the comanche sounds fab! (and so do those pickups!!)

i attended Ursinus College in Pa '78-'82. i thought dweeb was an Ursinus thing. never heard it anywhere else...til today 8-)
The editor of Time magazine (Jeffrey Kluger) gets the credit for the first use of the word dweeb in English (1964). My parents were married in '65 - the year my older sister was born. I was born in '66. They were 15 and 16 respectively, and TV was still new enough that most households got their entertainment from the radio (who can afford a TV?). So a lot of the radio programs would read or remark on editorials in such magazines as Time - and I expect that is how my parents came to know the word, and through such knowledge passed it down to me. I just assumed it was an British slang (sounds right), but apparently not. I expect your parents were likely young adults in the 60s also? Perhaps they came upon the word in this way, passing it along to you like my parents passed it along to me.

In any case thanks for your kind word Tom, you're always a gentleman.
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Re: Will Ray Z-Coils in Neck and Bridge on my Comanche Tribute

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tomanche wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:57 am Thanks for your post and video, Dan—well done! You sound good, and your Comanche sounds mighty fine, especially the 2 and 4 positions. I'm wondering how the neck + bridge sound together with the extra swat of the Will Ray pups. Every time I see one of those Tribute Comanches with the flame top, my knees weaken slightly...

When I put the Will Ray in the bridge of my Studio 6, I opted for black—mostly because I like the look of the pre-BBE Comanche black pups with white guard and cherryburst, but also to show that it was changed!
All the toggle switch does is connect the neck and bridge pickup together.

So when the toggle is off, the 5-way switch alone determines which pickups are on.
(TOGGLE OFF)
pos 1 (bridge only: BO)
pos 2 (Bridge + Middle: BM)
pos 3 ( MIddle only: MO)
pos 4 (Middle + Neck: MN)
pos 5 (Nec only: NO)

When the toggle is ON (therefore) the Neck and Bridge pickup Both on - regardless of the 5-way switch, such that:
(TOGGLE ON)
pos 1 (bridge + Neck: BN)
pos 2 (Bridge + Middle + Neck: BMN)
pos 3 (Bridge + Middle + Neck: BMN)
pos 4 ((Bridge + Middle + Neck: BMN)
pos 5 ((bridge + Neck: BN)

Thanks for reading my post. It's nice to see some life on the old forum.

If I could go back in time I would have flipped the toggle on, and set the 5-way to either the bridge or the neck - which when played sound a whole lot like my ASAT Special, but with a slightly different timber in the tone (just as sweet, but a slightly different kind of sweet). I've heard it described as a Faux Special - and I think that covers it well.
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DanDoulogos wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:33 pm If I could go back in time I would have flipped the toggle on, and set the 5-way to either the bridge or the neck - which when played sound a whole lot like my ASAT Special, but with a slightly different timber in the tone (just as sweet, but a slightly different kind of sweet). I've heard it described as a Faux Special - and I think that covers it well.
Yes, that's what I referred to. I agree that the neck + bridge combo approaches ASAT tone, so the extra girth of Will Ray pups in both of those positions could be cool.
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Re: Will Ray Z-Coils in Neck and Bridge on my Comanche Tribute

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Hey Dan, great review and sweet look at the WR in the neck. You know I’m a huge fan of the WR in the bridge but the neck seems to add a little more flavor. Could be a future project. Will originally had the overwound pup in bridge and middle but switched to bridge only. How do you have the tone knob, all up, down or adjustable? Interested to see you thoughts on that with neck pup.

The tweed gets two thumbs up on my end! 👍 👍
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sam wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:26 pm Hey Dan, great review and sweet look at the WR in the neck. You know I’m a huge fan of the WR in the bridge but the neck seems to add a little more flavor. Could be a future project. Will originally had the overwound pup in bridge and middle but switched to bridge only. How do you have the tone knob, all up, down or adjustable? Interested to see you thoughts on that with neck pup.

The tweed gets two thumbs up on my end! 👍 👍
I had clipping maybe 20% off the top on the Treble tone, and something like 10 % clipped off top on the bass when I did the neck pickup in the video. You know how people always caution that what they've played on the video sounds muffled compared to what it sounded like in real life. In my case, it sounds pretty much the same - what I hear in the video is how it sounded in my living room (at least if I am listening to the video with good headphones).

Note: I go by the rule of keeping the Low/Mid/High at the same levels, rather than trying to sculpt both the guitar tone and the amp tone. It makes it a lot easier to dial in the Comanche - which (being a serious tone chameleon) reacts to even small changes from the tone knobs. I'd say if you're going to go with a Comanche - that is my rule of thumb. I had a lot of frustration (when I first got the Comanche) trying to dial in a tone I was after with the amp set up for other guitars.
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Re: Will Ray Z-Coils in Neck and Bridge on my Comanche Tribute

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Thanks for sharing that- I enjoyed the video. Seems a like a cool project too.
Sad to say but I have never tried the Z-Coils.
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mutts wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 7:16 pm Thanks for sharing that- I enjoyed the video. Seems a like a cool project too.
Sad to say but I have never tried the Z-Coils.
You'd like them. :D
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